14:01:12 From amy shaheen to Everyone: Good afternoon, everyone!! 14:01:23 From Marty Muntz - he/him/his to Everyone: Break a leg, team! Excited to learn from you all!!! 14:04:26 From Jillian Zavodnick (she/her) to Everyone: The subtitles are wonderfully accessible! 14:04:40 From amy shaheen to Everyone: I sent the link again to amber, just in case! 14:05:26 From amy shaheen to Everyone: Amber is running a little late. Clinic... 14:07:48 From Marty Muntz - he/him/his to Everyone: Participating programs list for IM: https://students-residents.aamc.org/applying-residencies-eras/internal-medicine-programs-participating-supplemental-eras-application 14:08:35 From Campbell Levy, MD to Everyone: There are 9 - based on census 14:10:54 From Marty Muntz - he/him/his to Everyone: AAMC Supplemental Application Guide for Applicants (and advisors): https://students-residents.aamc.org/media/12326/download 14:14:57 From Michael Kisielewski (He/Him/His) to Everyone: The comparative results (means, medians) remained the same even when adjusting for outliers that explained the moderately-sized standard deviations, using a paired t-test. 14:15:45 From amy shaheen to Everyone: @amber, thanks for being here. We all know it is stressful when things don't go well!! 14:18:11 From iPhone to Everyone: Hi all, I’m driving between clinics, so I’m unable to see the slides. Can the sides be shared with us via email subsequently? Thank you. Sherine Salib 14:18:42 From Sheila Costa to Everyone: Slides will be posted on the website along with the webinar recording! 14:18:45 From Paul Aronowitz to Everyone: The slides will definitely be available on AAIM site and happy to email, too 14:18:52 From amy shaheen to Everyone: We are participating. We are encouraging but not requiring students to do it at UNC. (per our PD). I am encouraging any students I advise to do it. 14:19:01 From Paul Aronowitz to Everyone: Thanks, sheila…way ahead of me…as usual. 14:20:07 From Jen Foster to Everyone: Thanks, all, for holding this webinar! I have to jet off to mock virtual interviews here but will catch up via the recording. I hope everyone is hanging in there! 14:23:42 From amy shaheen to Everyone: I also tell students to not cover those issues up (failures, professionalism flags, etc) but to address them head on in their essays. What have they learned, why did these issues happen, what will they do differently or how did they remedy it? 14:24:00 From Lisa Oliver she/her/hers to Everyone: Is the student interview data self-reported or is it caught in some other way? 14:24:04 From Chayan Chakraborti to Everyone: ^^^agree with Amy 14:24:38 From Dodd Denton to Everyone: We ask students to self-report interview data, and we watch that through interview season 14:24:43 From Marty Muntz - he/him/his to Everyone: Agree @Amy - additionally practice how they're going to explain (WITHOUT excuse-making) during an interview. Think "How was this an opportunity for my growth?" 14:24:56 From amy shaheen to Everyone: Self reported. Some schools have set up systems to collect this information in a form that each time they get an interview, they log on and report it. Helps them identify outliers in both too few and too many interviews 14:25:37 From Lisa Oliver she/her/hers to Everyone: We also sometimes address "red flag" issues in the chair's letter. 14:25:39 From Reeni Abraham (she/her) to Everyone: We are advising not to complete the rural or urban setting preference given the current parameters, for preference signaling we tell students to not signal a geographic region unless a student has strong social circumstances to be in a region 14:25:46 From Chayan Chakraborti to Everyone: As an advisor, I don’t think that there is lack of clarity regarding how many places to apply stratified according to their performance. My question is about transparency—it’s really hard to advise students on the supplemental app when we have no idea how residency programs will be handling program signaling, geographic signaling, and supp app in general 14:26:15 From Lisa Oliver she/her/hers to Everyone: The rural/urban is - I believe - only for the AAMC use and will not be available to programs 14:26:39 From Amber Pincavage to Everyone: my understanding is it will be available to programs 14:26:50 From Lisa Oliver she/her/hers to Everyone: @chayan - YES!!! YES!! YES! 14:27:39 From Amber Pincavage to Everyone: all students have to complete the rural/urban preference but they can say no proference 14:27:48 From amy shaheen to Everyone: I agree, we want to hold a session where we have PDS that share how they are using these. 14:28:20 From Marty Muntz - he/him/his to Everyone: This is from the website: For urban or rural setting: • If you indicate a preference for setting, your setting preference and any additional information about your preference for setting will be shared with all programs. 14:28:32 From Campbell Levy, MD to Everyone: My understanding is that there is a 4th part re work preferences which is experimental and only available to AAMC. Everything else, including rural/urban, will be available to all IM programs. 14:28:51 From Amber Pincavage to Everyone: @Campbell that is correct 14:29:15 From Lisa Oliver she/her/hers to Everyone: Yes - that's what I was thinking of - there are experimental pieces just for the AAMC and I thought the urban/rural was part of that. Apparently it is not. :) 14:29:57 From Dodd Denton to Everyone: @Amy Shaheen, a conversation with PDs would be useful. 14:30:31 From Dodd Denton to Everyone: but time is getting short. This all seems so rushed this year, but maybe it's just that COVID has pulled all the reserve out of me 14:30:42 From Kristen Lewis to Everyone: Re geographic preferencing. If students choose to do it, it strikes me that programs outside the preferenced region will know this. Do you all agree that students should then really only do this if their preference is quite strong? 14:31:15 From Amber Pincavage to Everyone: only the programs in the region they signal will get the information 14:31:37 From Amber Pincavage to Everyone: I only tell students to do it if it is very clear for them 14:31:39 From Reeni Abraham (she/her) to Everyone: @Kristen, that's the approach we have told the students to take. Programs will know you did not signal their region if you did not signal no geographic preference. 14:32:12 From Chayan Chakraborti to Everyone: a conversation with PDs would be helpful, but still not ideal. I’d personally like to see programs that are participating in the pilot have something on their respective websites acknowledging how they intend on using these additional pieces of information. Again, transparency, which as has been mentioned several times in this webinar, DATA (this time from the residency program side) 14:32:45 From Dodd Denton to Everyone: Chayan, yes, that would be great 14:33:21 From Marty Muntz - he/him/his to Everyone: @Chayan - a future state where we are all more transparent with each other is so very important. We need to trust each other in a way that we just don't seem to right now (in general)... 14:33:29 From Diane Levine to Everyone: I would love to have programs list 5 characteristics of their program and identify the characteristic they are most proud of 14:33:59 From Marty Muntz - he/him/his to Everyone: +1 @Diane 14:34:12 From Campbell Levy, MD to Everyone: My understanding is that each part of the supplemental app is optional (ie one can fill out what they want). If you are advising students to do the supplemental app, are you all advising students to fill out the entire application? Or is anyone advising that just the preference signaling would be ok? 14:34:13 From Reeni Abraham (she/her) to Everyone: In my conversations with PDs, I don't know that they know what they are going to do with the information yet but not sure if others have had different conversations. @ Diane - love that idea 14:34:15 From Lisa Oliver she/her/hers to Everyone: @Diane for the win 14:34:21 From Chayan Chakraborti to Everyone: @Marty - trust goes both ways and applying to residency programs has historically been a black box. With the supp app, there is more black boxy-ness 14:35:10 From Eve Merrill to Everyone: why was it mentioned NOT to preference the home instution? 14:35:35 From Dodd Denton to Everyone: because almost all students get an interview at the home institution 14:35:46 From Marty Muntz - he/him/his to Everyone: Agree @Chayan - trust is absolutely a two-way street. 14:35:49 From Reeni Abraham (she/her) to Everyone: Agree @ Dodd 14:35:52 From Kristen Lewis to Everyone: the double deadline seems tough. Any insight into the reason for this? 14:36:41 From Dodd Denton to Everyone: the double deadline seems to add complexity without helping 14:36:51 From iPhone to Everyone: I missed the initial part. If a student is applying to a participating program, does the student have to complete the supplemental application to be considered for an interview? 14:37:15 From Reeni Abraham (she/her) to Everyone: @Sherine - depends on the program. some programs can make mandatory 14:37:17 From Simon, Wendy M. to Everyone: I'm in GME space as well and agree programs haven't all decided and there will be variation between programs (competitiveness, location, applicant pool) in how it's used. My program isn't participating. 14:37:39 From Chayan Chakraborti to Everyone: @Diane’s suggestion is a very good start. I don’t see that it is unreasonable to ask programs to figure out a few things about handling the supp app a priori. We all understand that this is a new process for everyone and not everything is “figured out” 14:38:21 From Amalia Landa Galindez to Everyone: Great question! 14:38:29 From Chayan Chakraborti to Everyone: ^^ @marty 14:38:52 From Paul Aronowitz to Everyone: Ditto…and I usually have them reach first, then me. 14:39:18 From Dodd Denton to Everyone: I will reach out to up to three. And, only if they have less than 4 interviews 14:39:28 From Campbell Levy, MD to Everyone: After 9/1, emails are to applicants with link to supplemental app is triggered when students save or apply to a participating IM program on ERAS (i.e. don't have to be done with the application) 14:39:47 From Chayan Chakraborti to Everyone: I put a cap on it like @Dodd and only if they have <5 14:39:49 From Amber Pincavage to Everyone: Thanks Campbell 14:39:52 From Lisa Oliver she/her/hers to Everyone: We do reach outs to programs directly; as long as the reach out makes sense, and has rational, and we only do one reach out per student. We were very successful last year I think because Covid threw everyone for a loop and PD were desperate for clear interest. 14:40:55 From Marty Muntz - he/him/his to Everyone: I also will offer for a few, especially if I have a good professional relationship with the PD. If I don't, I recommend the student do the outreach typically. Agree with the other limits people are suggesting... 14:41:20 From iPhone to Everyone: What are your thoughts on students who do an Acting Internship at a program. Are you all advising them to signal that program too, or is that “wasting” a signal? 14:42:23 From Campbell Levy, MD to Everyone: Are you advising prelim IM students differently for the supplemental app? 14:42:55 From Lisa Oliver she/her/hers to Everyone: Does anyone have any thoughts on the reddit spreadsheets? Helpful or evil or both? ☺️ 14:44:41 From Chayan Chakraborti to Everyone: helpfully evil 14:44:50 From Marty Muntz - he/him/his to Everyone: Agree @Reeni - especially people applying in derm with IM backup 14:44:55 From Campbell Levy, MD to Everyone: @Lisa - we have found the Reddit spreadsheets terribly misleading and advise students not to use them - or use them at their own risk with a lot of skepticism. 14:45:10 From Dodd Denton to Everyone: What are the "reddit spreadsheets"? 14:45:40 From Lisa Oliver she/her/hers to Everyone: Thanks @campbell 14:45:49 From Diane Levine to Everyone: I ask if they are going to reapply if they do not match in their desired field. I then encourage them NOT to apply to categorical programs 14:45:57 From Amalia Landa Galindez to Everyone: Students often ask: if they are applying to a combined program like Med/Psych, Med/Peds can they also apply to each program separately as a back up, or would that hurt their changes for the combined program. 14:46:10 From Lisa Oliver she/her/hers to Everyone: @chayan LOLZ 14:46:11 From Amalia Landa Galindez to Everyone: changes for the combined program 14:46:16 From Amalia Landa Galindez to Everyone: chances 14:46:46 From Reeni Abraham (she/her) to Everyone: @Amber- great point about IM experiences! 14:47:26 From Reeni Abraham (she/her) to Everyone: I compare Reddit reviews to yelp reviews 14:47:53 From Claire Sevov to Everyone: When did studentdoctornetwork go out of style? 14:48:05 From Marty Muntz - he/him/his to Everyone: It's like student doctor net 14:48:14 From Paul Aronowitz to Everyone: Sounds very anxiety provoking 14:48:51 From Marty Muntz - he/him/his to Everyone: ALso rumored that chief residents go in there and fill out good stuff about their program, posing as students. 14:48:53 From Chayan Chakraborti to Everyone: it’s the same peer-to-peer grapevine that there has always been, but added to a website (reddit). but students tend to fill that out over intistutional questionnaires. very very challenging to respond to the info on it 14:48:57 From Reeni Abraham (she/her) to Everyone: We had a 4th year panel after Match. 1/2 of the applicants popped some popcorn and read the blog, 1/2 stayed away bc it was anxiety provoking 14:49:33 From Marty Muntz - he/him/his to Everyone: Agree @Campbell 14:49:38 From Reeni Abraham (she/her) to Everyone: Our school releases a student affairs list regarding where students are getting interviews so they have valid data 14:49:46 From Reeni Abraham (she/her) to Everyone: anonymous list :) 14:49:50 From iPhone to Everyone: Residency application is getting WAY too complicated!! Hopefully we can revisit & restructure the whole process in the future… 14:50:12 From Dodd Denton to Everyone: Students make up how well they're doing with interviews as well. I tell them not to pay attention to their colleagues. It's like social media - only the positive is seen 14:50:17 From Marty Muntz - he/him/his to Everyone: @Reeni - how did your school get that process started? What an amazing resource! 14:50:36 From Reeni Abraham (she/her) to Everyone: Student affairs office sends out a weekly survey that gets pushed out to departmental advisors 14:51:23 From Lisa Oliver she/her/hers to Everyone: @reeni - AWESOME IDEA 14:51:24 From Marty Muntz - he/him/his to Everyone: I've been doing late October. Just because some people will wait "too long" because they chill too long 14:51:39 From Sheila Costa to Paul Aronowitz(Direct Message): Chill pill? I haven't heard that in years! LOL 14:51:42 From Simon, Wendy M. to Everyone: We're all trying to do holistic review- it takes time! 14:51:48 From ruths7 to Everyone: at a previous school, we implemented weekly surveys and the students' feedback was that it was stressful to them 14:51:57 From Marty Muntz - he/him/his to Everyone: Agree @Wendy! 14:52:08 From Brian Kwan to Everyone: "insider" data from UC davis 14:52:59 From Marty Muntz - he/him/his to Everyone: +1 Amber 14:53:00 From Paul Aronowitz to Sheila Costa(Direct Message): Tryiing to bring that term back… 14:53:04 From Reeni Abraham (she/her) to Everyone: The student affairs survey also has how many interviews each student has. This is completed by students and they know it is shared with names. We use this data to reach out to students to relinquish interviews. 14:53:46 From Marty Muntz - he/him/his to Everyone: https://students-residents.aamc.org/applying-residencies-eras/about-supplemental-eras-application 14:54:03 From Marty Muntz - he/him/his to Everyone: https://students-residents.aamc.org/applying-residencies-eras/frequently-asked-questions-applicants 14:54:04 From Chayan Chakraborti to Everyone: ^^@Reeni, that’s amazing but this would create a riot amongst Tulane students 14:54:07 From Reeni Abraham (she/her) to Everyone: Last year's advising webinar includes emails sent out and the time it is sent regarding all of these types of communication. Feel free to access and use! 14:54:07 From marc heincelman to Everyone: Thanks all for a great webinar! 14:54:18 From Homan Wai to Everyone: THank you very much! 14:54:23 From Dodd Denton to Everyone: Thank you so much 14:54:25 From Kristen Lewis to Everyone: This was extremely valuable! Thank you!! 14:54:25 From Paul Aronowitz to Everyone: I tell our students they MUST relinquish unwanted interviews at least 2-3 weeks in advance and with a thank you email to the program 14:54:28 From Simon, Wendy M. to Everyone: Great webinar- thank you! 14:54:32 From iPhone to Everyone: Thank you! Great webinar 14:54:37 From Dodd Denton to Everyone: the chat stream was wicked cool 14:54:56 From Paul Aronowitz to Everyone: 😎 14:55:23 From Mai Mahmoud to Everyone: Thanks